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Yesterday at 7:49am · 
"What’s happening in Ukraine? Gorbachev had it right. We’re in a new Cold War with Russia. The epicenter of the new Cold War is not in Berlin, like the last one, but it’s right on Russia’s borders, so it’s much more dangerous," explains Stephen Cohen.



Is Ukraine a Proxy Western-Russia War? U.S. Weighs Arming Kiev as Violence Soars
Watch: Democracy Now! talks to Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at NYU and Princeton University.
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  • Richard Johnson Democracy Now! How is it that you left out key factors such Svoboda (A Nazi Political Party) out of this discussion? If you are not going to bring in key factors into this, and correctly and accurately tell both side of the story then you are getting into yellow/propaganda journalism.
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  • Ruben David Quiroz Somehow we started this mess now we are doing the same we did in Syria, Iraq. It's all about resources. How many wars for greed? Now we are in-sighting more violence. Oh but wait didn't our pres get the Nobel peace prize?!?! Did we miss something? N...See More
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  • Rick Desena I got an Idea, how about we mind our own business.
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  • Dwight Burdick This is the Cuban missle crisis all over again. This go 'round the US aided and abetted a coup against a pro-Russian government, and now wants Ukraine in NATO so NATO nukes can be installed right on Russia's border. Russia cannot blink anymore than JFK...See More
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  • Jay Hodgson ive watched the matter progress and its kiev that is the agressor, look at the basics- civilians are being bombed by the ukrainian army, men and women have taken up arms to defend against the ukraine army but they are not advancing west, russia isnt even helping defend people which is actually worse than taking a stand.. This topic was presented with bias propoganda in the opening question..
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  • Amon Saker Basically, what you have in Ukraine is a nation that genuinely wanted political reform, but their "spring" & democratic revolution got hijacked by a U.S. backed coup that continues to empower the oligarchs (one of whom, Ihor Kolomoysky, employs Joe Biden's son on the board of his gas company waiting to drill in the rebel held regions). This coup put in place a pro-EU regime of uber nationalists, fascists & neo-nazis, all hostile to the largely ethnic Russian / Russian speaking, working class south-eastern region (which is certainly more like Russia than EU, but Ukraine won't just let it go due to the gas & coal, but I digress). 

    After the failed drive for democratic reform with Maiden, Donbass & surrounding south eastern regions voted & declared their independence. They resorted to this measure for several reasons. First, there is Kiev's ongoing hostility toward the working class/ industrial south east & it's mixed population (largely ethnic Russian/Russian speaking). This hostility manifests in many ways, including extreme nationalist demands like language & cultural conformity and even calls for ethnic cleansing by the growing nationalist, neoNazi & Right Sector movement. There is also disenchantment in the south east with conditions under the oligarchs who pay little & charge much (a handful control the entire country) & the fact that EU membership will kill much of their economy, which is tied to Russia. Therefore, I think it is quite reasonable for Donbass & surrounding areas to vote & declare their independence. For this, however, they been labeled "terrorists" & characterized by Kiev/ NATO/ EU/ US of invading Ukraine (they are "terrorists" who invade their own homes? They see themselves as following in the tradition of the American Revolution. See notes in reply).

    Yes, Russia is involved. But, the Russians fighting with the separatists are there voluntarily & join other sympathetic fighters from all over Europe & even Asia, reportedly. It is Russia, moreover, that is sending in food, medical supplies, medics, & accepting thousands of refugees & conscripted Kiev soldiers who do not want to fight their countrymen. Kiev, by contrast, is shelling civilians & attracting neoNazi "fighters" from throughout Europe. In fact, Kolomoysky is financing some 30 neoNazi battalions to cleanse Donbass of those holding up gas production, and these extreme Right Sector NeoNazis have been engaged in horrendous human rights abuses (update: there now seems to be a power struggle brewing between the neoNazi Right sector battalions & the Ukrainian / Kiev military. This is bound to get interesting!) 

    This is not simply a story about the US & Russia, but it is only fair to consider that the US traveled half way around the world to foment regime change & supply Kiev with billions of dollars, arms & "military advisors," & yet Russia, which shares a border, ethnicity, family ties & history, economy etc with the "rebel" regions under attack, is labeled the invader by the western press? 

    The treatment that the situation in Ukraine has been given by the mainstream western media is truly criminal, and anybody who is trying to tell the truth is facing ridicule, ostracism & alienation. Dr. Stephen Cohen, for example, has actually been called a Putin apologist for challenging the mainstream narratives. Cohen is a well respected Russian specialist at Princeton. His work shows that he is no fan of the Soviet Union nor a jingoist for Putin. However, for daring to buck the narrative of the political establishment & calling out the propaganda of the American press, he has been called an "apologist" & lost funding for research. It is like we are re-entering the irrational anxiety & suppression of the Cold War era all over again.

    I will post some links & sources in a reply to myself, as to not take up so much room on the thread. Everybody needs to seriously consider & research this for themselves, & not just regurgitate the mainstream media nor let your assumptions about Russia & Putin get control of your reasoning abilities. There is too much at stake all around. If we go to war with Russia (for no good reason), think about all the countries who will join with Russia, & consider that this would not just be a war that kills a generation of American men & boys somewhere else. It would touch town in our own backyards, guaranteed.
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  • Shay Culligan Shame on useful idiot Stephen Cohen and shame on Democracy Now for hosting this Kremlin troll. Cohen has never openly condemned the behavior of the dreadful Putin Kremlin, whose murderous kleptocracy has turned his own country into an economic basket c...See More
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  • Daniel De Lorenzo We need to deter Russian colonialism! We can't allow a soveriegn nation to be taken by a larger nation by force!
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  • Row Millis Thank you, Richard Johnson!! Anyone who's been following since the Victoria Nuland/Kiev Coup, manufactured by the US govt can't help but be highly skeptical of Stephen F. Cohen's rendition of this issue.
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  • John Wes This is great for Hunter Biden and Bursima in Ukraine! Just Google it!
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  • Reuben Yancey Oh my goodness, we are at war with how many countries? And Obama got a Nobel Prize!
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  • James Thomas This is a mess caused by America playing The Grand Chessboard.
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  • Margot Ploesser We are not only in a cold war , we are amidst a US forced civil war amidst some of the most dangerous ethnic civilisations. Obama must be an idiot to start a war there where others have failed. THIS definitely will turn against the aggressor. Be it NSA, Obama or whoever, for the whole world will turn on USA.
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  • Barbara Mullin NATO, US and EU aggression.
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  • Estevam Guzella Instead of debating who's right or wrong, people should realize that war with Russia is so bad that NATO should do anything to avoid it. And we are seeing exactly the opposite.
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  • Idene Saam D Now, I love you guys and listen to the show nearly every day. But I don't get how you guys could say "the Soviet state of Latvia" during this broadcast. I know it's a live show and chances are someone forgot to include the word "former," but Latvia h...See More
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  • Ana Emilia Before you start to point blame at Russia, remember it was USA who aided in overthrowing the former Kiev government, to push their own political agenda.
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  • Dragos Iancu Nothing new: US installing Nazi regimes.
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  • Thomas Schilewa What's happening? Like this: Bankster needs NWO

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  • Leonardo Costa Diversion The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine
    The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion t    ...See More



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  • Olga Safonova This comment for Daniel de Lorenzo. Not all the poles support the Ukraine, because supporters of OUN UPA rule now in Ukraine. You can find the facts about it herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/.../Massacres_of_Poles_in... ...See More
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  • Margot Ploesser Oh ...and just reading the crap some of you guys write ..ever put any idea in an empty NATO? a hollow nato without soldiers. NOONE in europe is willing to fight for USA . A nation what destabilized for the last 70 years one nation after the other. IT i...See More
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  • Dirk Scumcroft More than a proxy war. The lead up to the war with Japan was proceeded by economic blockades and the starvation of the Japanese through fossil fuel. The oil embargo was what preceded Pearl Harbor. We purposely did that hoping to goad them into making a...See More
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  • Don Hunsperger The US only appeared to resolve the Cold War, it has continued to expand it's influence through NATO as can be seen by the number of former Warsaw Pact nations that have joined NATO. The agreement in 1991 upon the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact was tha...See More
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  • Logan Connor How many wars usa created,but non of them won.
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  • Szántó Tamás Ukrain and Russia used to be all together united ,they shouldn't fight against each other!! They are on the same root. They have to get rid of all that united states doing against them. Every reasons that shows have to come in war is a trick of U.S ,wake up call is really important to the world now!!!
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  • Sue Strohman Bronson We are in grave danger of an all out 3rd world war the way things are going.
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  • Michael FitzPatrick Watch the propaganda pieces being phased into the media showing a US/Russian confrontation. The War Industrial Complex is planning their next big adventure right under our noses, and getting us used to the mindset of more war.
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  • Row Millis Here is another example of Amy Goodman's tepid approach to the vile aggression of the US govt/corporations. Read Robert Perry, Global Research, Counterpunch.org - all journalists/writers, along with many Europeans who know this "crisis" has been comple...See More



    CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
    CounterPunch has been hailed as "America's best...
    COUNTERPUNCH.ORG
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  • Miriam Adams the only thing missing here is Victoria Nuland with a plate of cookies.
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  • Jay D Weaver I think it's time to back off. Let the Russian empire destroy itself. The American empire has much more serious problems to contend with. We are well on the way to self destruction as well.
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  • SnowowlWolfe RunswithClouds What a crock, you mean we are using the Cold War as propaganda to expand our spy capabilities and increase the power of the military industrial complex, basically it's rhetoric to make the rich white boys richer.
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  • Alia Skotarenko Democracy Now! It's great that you have a guest, who can speak freely for 20 mins, without creating a false panel/two pony show, where ponies keep interrupting each other. But Professor Cohen is biased! Last 5 mins of the program was pure conjecture ...See More
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  • Paul Gagnon YES No US Military supplies or personal in my name 
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  • Barbara Mürdter Even Obama acknowledges that Russian action around Crimea and Ukraine wasn't part of a bigger plan they had but a reaction to what was happening in Kiew: „And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine - not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine -..." (Source: CNN interview here:http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/.../pres-obama-on.../)



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  • Adam Poole I think America have quite enough fucking influence over who gets murdered already.
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  • Julie Sperber Lot of doe to be made by creating wars. How do they live with themselves I wonder?
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  • Arjen Iedema You should not talk about war, you should talk about peace. There are no winners in war. War is losing by definition, and always over the backs of the people. While the utterly selfish assholes, too lazy and cowardly to do anything useful, blow the country to smithereens...
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  • Estevam Guzella People are so deeply indoctrinated that they talk about military confrontation with Russia like if it was Iran or Syria. They even talk about tanks, troops etc. Nonsense! War with russia would be mainly a ballistic missile one! With lots and lots of thermonuclear weapons.
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  • Michael P. Robb Funny, the press secretary says that they may or may not be arming Kiev. We already know that the arms are in containers as we speak. The plan for Russia seems to be very similar to the plans the USA had for Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Libya, Syria.. . lots of ...See More
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  • Irina Krinitsina Yes. With the assistance of the American administration to power in Kiev came to the Nazis. They wash Donbass ..destroy together with residents.....and that scary---the world is silent! The world pretends that everything is fine! Thousands of dead! And no one cares.....This is democracy?!

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  • Irina Krinitsina Hello! Had I read your comments......I live in Russia...for 20 years.Born and raised in the Donbass. There is now a mother, relatives, friends......There the war. A civil war. Kiev stupidly cleans the territory.......for whom????? It is easy to underst...See More
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  • Pepe Polyp We're in the completion phase of the end of this cycle in terms of attempting to take full control of the plant by a hand full of banksters. Russia and China stand in the way.... Will the Bankster-Gangsters succeed is the question?

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  • Adolfo Rosado I think democracy now is being controlled now...
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  • Adolfo Rosado WW3 begun last year. Is anybody awake?
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  • Jeffrey Nadeau I think both sides want a stage where they can test their new weapon toys.
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  • Christina Shadwell A little late to the discussion, aren't we Democracy Now?
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